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'''Transmission identification''' explains how to identify the transmission or transaxle installed in a [[Pontiac Fiero]].

The Fiero used several different manual and automatic transaxles from 1984 through 1988. Because many Fieros have been repaired, modified, or transmission-swapped, the installed transmission should be identified directly rather than relying only on the car's model year, engine, or trim level.

== Overview ==

Transmission identification is important when ordering parts, diagnosing problems, planning engine swaps, checking gear ratios, or verifying originality.

Factory Fiero transaxles included:

* [[TH125 automatic]]
* [[Muncie 4-speed]]
* [[Isuzu 5-speed]]
* [[Getrag 5-speed]]

Each transmission has different service requirements, shift cables, brackets, mounts, internal parts, gear ratios, and applications.

== Why identification matters ==

Correctly identifying the installed transmission can help avoid:

* Ordering the wrong clutch parts
* Ordering incorrect shift cables
* Using the wrong transmission fluid
* Assuming incorrect gear ratios
* Confusing Isuzu and Getrag five-speed parts
* Confusing four-cylinder and V6 applications
* Misdiagnosing shifting or clutch problems
* Misrepresenting a car's originality

A Fiero may no longer have the same transmission it originally left the factory with.

== Factory transmission RPO codes ==

Factory transmission options can often be identified from RPO codes if the service parts identification label is still present and original to the car.

{| class="wikitable"
! RPO code
! Transmission
! Common name
! Factory Fiero application
|-
| MD9
| 3-speed automatic
| [[TH125 automatic|TH125C automatic]]
| 1984-1988 automatic-equipped Fieros
|-
| MY8
| 4-speed manual
| [[Muncie 4-speed]]
| 1984 four-cylinder economy
|-
| M19
| 4-speed manual
| [[Muncie 4-speed]]
| 1984 four-cylinder performance
|-
| M17
| 4-speed manual
| [[Muncie 4-speed]]
| 1985-1986 V6
|-
| MT2
| 5-speed manual
| [[Isuzu 5-speed]]
| 1985-1988 four-cylinder
|-
| MG2
| 5-speed manual
| [[Getrag 5-speed]]
| Later 1986-1988 V6
|}

RPO codes are useful, but they identify how the car was originally equipped. They do not guarantee that the same transmission is still installed.

Related topics:

* [[RPO codes]]
* [[Service parts identification label]]
* [[Transmission gear ratios]]

== Model-year clues ==

Model year can provide useful clues, but it should not be treated as final proof.

General factory patterns include:

* 1984 four-cylinder manual cars used Muncie 4-speed transmissions.
* 1985-1988 four-cylinder manual cars used the Isuzu 5-speed.
* 1985 and early 1986 V6 manual cars used the Muncie 4-speed.
* Later 1986-1988 V6 manual cars used the Getrag 5-speed.
* Automatic-equipped Fieros used the TH125C automatic.

Because transmissions can be swapped, repaired, or replaced, physical inspection is still important.

== Automatic or manual ==

The first step is to determine whether the car has an automatic or manual transmission.

Automatic cars have an automatic shifter and use the [[TH125 automatic]].

Manual cars have a clutch pedal and use one of the factory manual transaxles:

* [[Muncie 4-speed]]
* [[Isuzu 5-speed]]
* [[Getrag 5-speed]]

A manual shifter alone does not identify which manual transmission is installed.

== Shift pattern ==

The shift pattern can help narrow down the transmission type.

A four-speed manual shift pattern generally indicates a [[Muncie 4-speed]].

A five-speed manual shift pattern indicates either an [[Isuzu 5-speed]] or a [[Getrag 5-speed]].

However, shifter parts can be changed, and some cars may have been modified. The shift pattern should be used as a clue, not as the only identification method.

== TH125 automatic identification ==

The [[TH125 automatic]] was the only factory automatic transmission used in the Fiero.

Useful identification clues include:

* Automatic shifter
* No clutch pedal
* RPO code '''MD9'''
* Three forward gears
* Automatic transmission dipstick
* Cooler lines to the radiator or transmission cooler circuit
* Transverse automatic transaxle mounted to the engine

Because all factory automatic Fieros used the TH125C, automatic transmission identification is usually simpler than manual transmission identification.

Related topics:

* [[TH125 automatic]]
* [[Automatic transmission]]
* [[Torque converter clutch]]

== Muncie 4-speed identification ==

The [[Muncie 4-speed]] was used in early four-speed manual Fieros.

Useful identification clues include:

* Four-speed shift pattern
* RPO code '''MY8''', '''M19''', or '''M17'''
* 1984 four-cylinder application for MY8 or M19
* 1985-1986 V6 application for M17
* Four-speed shift cable arrangement
* Muncie 4-speed case features and mounting brackets

The Muncie 4-speed was available in more than one version, so identifying it only as a “4-speed” may not be enough when gear ratios or parts interchange matter.

Related topics:

* [[Muncie 4-speed]]
* [[Transmission gear ratios]]
* [[Manual transmission]]

== Isuzu 5-speed identification ==

The [[Isuzu 5-speed]] was the factory five-speed manual transmission used with the 2.5L four-cylinder Fiero.

Useful identification clues include:

* Five-speed shift pattern
* RPO code '''MT2'''
* Factory four-cylinder application
* 1985-1988 four-cylinder manual application
* Isuzu-specific shift cable arrangement
* Isuzu transmission case features and brackets

The Isuzu 5-speed should not be confused with the [[Getrag 5-speed]]. Both are five-speed manuals, but they were used in different factory applications and do not share all parts.

Related topics:

* [[Isuzu 5-speed]]
* [[Iron Duke]]
* [[Manual transmission]]

== Getrag 5-speed identification ==

The [[Getrag 5-speed]] was the factory five-speed manual transmission used with later V6 Fieros.

Useful identification clues include:

* Five-speed shift pattern
* RPO code '''MG2'''
* Later V6 manual application
* Getrag-specific shift cable arrangement
* Reverse-light switch location
* Small transmission dipstick on the aft side of the transaxle above the driver-side inboard CV joint
* Getrag case features and mounting brackets

Because the Isuzu and Getrag are both five-speed manuals, visual inspection is important when identifying a five-speed Fiero transmission.

Related topics:

* [[Getrag 5-speed]]
* [[2.8L V6]]
* [[Manual transmission]]

== Service parts identification label ==

The service parts identification label lists factory RPO codes for the car.

If the label is still present and original, it can help identify the transmission originally installed by the factory.

However, the label does not prove that the original transmission is still in the car. Fieros are old enough that many have had transmissions replaced, swapped, rebuilt, or modified.

Related topics:

* [[Service parts identification label]]
* [[RPO codes]]
* [[Factory options]]

== Physical inspection ==

Physical inspection is often the best way to identify the installed transmission.

Items to inspect include:

* Transmission case shape
* Shift cable routing
* Shift cable brackets
* Mounting brackets
* Dipstick or fill-plug location
* Backup-light switch location
* Transmission code or tag, if present
* Axle and seal arrangement
* Clutch slave cylinder location and bracket
* Cooler lines on automatic cars
* Previous-owner modifications

Photos can be helpful when asking for identification help, especially clear photos of the top, side, cable brackets, and rear of the transmission.

== Gear-ratio identification ==

Gear ratios may help identify a transmission, but they are usually harder to verify without testing or disassembly.

Published gear-ratio tables can help narrow down possibilities, but exact identification should use the transmission itself when possible.

Related topic:

* [[Transmission gear ratios]]

== Common identification mistakes ==

Common Fiero transmission identification mistakes include:

* Assuming all five-speeds are Getrags
* Assuming all four-speeds have the same ratios
* Assuming a V6 car still has its original V6 transmission
* Assuming the RPO label proves the current installed transmission
* Confusing the Isuzu 5-speed with the Getrag 5-speed
* Confusing the Getrag-designed, Muncie-built 5-speed with the earlier Muncie 4-speed
* Ordering parts based only on model year
* Ignoring swapped shift cables or brackets

== Transmission swaps ==

Transmission swaps are common in the Fiero community.

A transmission may have been changed because of failure, parts availability, engine swap work, preference for different gearing, or previous-owner modification.

When evaluating a swapped car, identify:

* Transmission type
* RPO code of the original car, if relevant
* Actual installed transmission
* Shift cables
* Mounts and brackets
* Clutch and flywheel compatibility
* Axles
* Speedometer connection
* Backup-light wiring
* Fluid type
* Gear ratios

Related topics:

* [[Engine swaps]]
* [[Parts interchange]]
* [[Transmission mounts]]
* [[Shift cables]]

== Documentation ==

Useful documentation for transmission identification can include:

* Service parts identification label
* VIN and model-year information
* Factory service manual
* Transmission codes
* Previous-owner records
* Receipts from repairs or swaps
* Photos of the installed transmission
* Physical inspection notes

Documentation should be used together with inspection, especially on modified cars.

== Notes ==

Transmission identification should be approached as a combination of clues rather than a single fact.

The most reliable identification usually comes from combining RPO information, model-year knowledge, physical inspection, and transmission-specific features.

== See also ==

* [[Transmission]]
* [[Transmission gear ratios]]
* [[TH125 automatic]]
* [[Muncie 4-speed]]
* [[Isuzu 5-speed]]
* [[Getrag 5-speed]]
* [[Manual transmission]]
* [[Automatic transmission]]
* [[RPO codes]]
* [[Service parts identification label]]
* [[Parts interchange]]
* [[Engine swaps]]

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